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Michael T. Klare: Oil 2009: Be Careful What You Wish For



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- GrainOSand See Profile I'm a Fan of GrainOSand permalink

Convincing America of the need to abandon oil as America's main energy source is one area where Mr. Obama's inspirational charisma will bear fruit. He has the ability and (soon will have the pulpit) to make the public case of the need for alternatives development (now) even though the price has subsided due to decreased demand. The price may have subsided but the supply remains a dwindling resource. Better we take the steps to make America independent of oil today and not try to do it when all hell has broken loose on multiple dangerous fronts of concern. I think the gas tax might be one way to insure we do not forget how much we hated five dollar a gallon gas. It would deal with the camp that is squawking about deficit spending and how we can pay for a revolutionary infrastructure project as economic stimulus. I also think we should legalize marijuana and tax it to realize a another revenue stream; one which I think the government is already complicit in. I also think that more can be done with prison labor concerning public works projects, manifesting rehabilitation through skills acquisition all while minimizing labor cost. The entire society needs to be redesigned, rethought, and revitalized. I do not know if such visionary and courageous thinking exists in Washington. Vision and courage are needed now more than ever. The same old thing is no longer acceptable as an answer for the challenges we collectively face.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 01/09/2009
- Kache See Profile I'm a Fan of Kache permalink

Please, GrainOSand, just stick to energy. The longer your list gets the more people are going to demand a pony too. Let's do the doable first, then let's talk about my pony later, OK :-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 01/09/2009
- GrainOSand See Profile I'm a Fan of GrainOSand permalink

Unfortunately, that is the impression I left you with, I am sorry. Think on this -- all is one, or all is connected. Everything I mentioned is related to energy if you are looking outside of a box of indoctrination in terms of solutions. I never left the subject of energy in talking about ways to retrofit the infrastructure to accommodate a societal shift that would be oil independence. That shift is the infrastructure project Mr. Obama is talking about and it is the deficit spending to which the GOP is referring. I was "trying" to speak to both aspects of the issue -- the need to do it (the project), and the need to pay for it (new revenue streams and labor pools). Labor costs are some of the highest costs concerning running an enterprise. We have people in prison who are there for victimless crimes that need a path to rejoining society. A program of sweat equity is one such approach. The tax on gas and legalized marijuana, again, is meant to address the dreaded deficit spending required for a massive infrastructure project focusing on renewal, which includes a new energy grid. Efficiency is killing multiple birds with a single stone, or efficiency is a submachine gun not a one shot musket.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 01/09/2009
- Dukedraven See Profile I'm a Fan of Dukedraven permalink

We need to get off fossil fuels period. Whether oil is $40 a barrel or $120. There's only a finite supply and one day it's going away. In the meantime, it's poisoning the planet. Oil producing countries will have to find another way to generate revenue. Oil is blood money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 01/08/2009
- Articulator See Profile I'm a Fan of Articulator permalink

I havent been convinced that the drop in oil prices is all from demand. The price of oil dropped before demand dropped when the economic crisis was in its very early stages. In fact, I remember reading that oil demand in the US dropped over a 3 month period last spring when the price was still shooting up. I'm sure there was a lot of money in oil futures that was pulled out either in anticipation of oil price drops or just in anticipation of the need of cash with the looming economic crisis. Think of Enron when considering how much money could be in oil futures (and how much money could be lost by delayed exit from the market). The price of oil before the 2006 election did not drop until George Bush out of the blue, and against all previous stated intentions, said he was going to to release oil from the US reserve. The price did not significantly go up after the election till George stated, again out of the blue, that he was going to double the size of the US reserves. The US reserves would not significantly affect supply and demand but it could significantly affect certainty in the market, enough to cause a withdrawal. It certainly would be a safer bet for big money to be in the very opaque oil futures market if they had connections in the White House and had advanced warning on issues that could affect the market..

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"The main reason? In good times and bad, oil will continue to supply the largest share of the world's energy supply. For all the talk of alternatives, petroleum will remain the number one source of energy for at least the next several decades."

FALSE.

It's up to us.

Solar and wind with Hybrid vehicles can replace 90% of oil, and all coal and nukes in far less than 10 years.