MacCallum: What did you mean by that?
Giuliani: Oh, very simple. I’m talking about in this particular situation, one person says the Flynn conversation took place. The other person says the Flynn conversation didn’t take place. What’s the truth? You tell me how you figure out the truth.
MacCallum: Well either it did or it didn’t.
Giuliani: It’s like the tree falling in the forest. Did anybody hear it? I mean how do we know what the truth is?
Giuliani: That’s right and they will possibly charge him with perjury should he give that answer. That’s why I’m saying in situations like this, to prosecutors, the truth is relative and it’s not absolute like some philosophical concept.
Giuliani, the former New York mayor who is now an attorney for Trump, also tried to clarify his comments via Twitter:
“Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd warned Giuliani the moment he uttered “truth isn’t truth” on Sunday that the phrase was destined to become a “bad meme.”