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Garth Turner: Canadian Housing Data Unreliable, Needs Regulation

Ex-MP: Canadian Housing Data A ‘Fraud'
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A former member of Parliament has suggested data on Canadian housing markets should be regulated the way data on financial markets is regulated.

Garth Turner, who served as both a Progressive Conservative and Liberal member of Parliament for the Halton region near Toronto, has called the monthly numbers released by the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) a “fraud,” because of the apparent practice of houses being counted multiple times when they are sold.

CREA’s monthly sales and price releases are among the most closely-watched measures of the housing market. Several industry insiders confirmed to HuffPost Canada last month that duplication of house listings across multiple real estate boards could be distorting sales data.

Turner, who runs a blog focused partly on real estate and is a financial advisor at Turner Tomenson Wealth Management Group, also suggested that something fishy could be going on at the Toronto Real Estate Board (TREB).

Speaking on BNN Monday, Turner said TREB’s house sales numbers “are almost always revised down” after their initial public release. That would mean that, when new numbers are released, they appear to show a larger increase from the previous reporting period than otherwise would have been the case.

Other housing market observers, such as analyst and blogger Ben Rabidoux, have also suggested that TREB may be revising its older numbers too far down, and creating the impression of a stronger real estate market than may really be the case.

This sort of thing matters, Turner told BNN, because people’s perceptions of the housing market affect house prices.

“Real estate is a very emotional commodity,” Turner said. “If you think the housing market’s hot, you’re going to come in at a higher price point, there [will be] bidding wars.”

Turner didn’t speculate on how much house prices may be getting pushed up by potentially misleading data.

CREA economist Gregory Klump told HuffPost Canada last month that double-counted listings amount to a scant 0.8 per cent of housing supply on the market.

In an interview on CBC's Lang & O'Leary Exchange on Monday, Klump said the double- or triple-listing of homes is largely concentrated in the Toronto area and Nova Scotia. But he described the effects of those listings as "statistically insignificant."

"We remain completely confident in the reliability and accuracy of those statistics," he said.

But real estate consultant Ross Kay, who is the original source for Turner’s arguments, suggested in an audit of housing data that sales numbers may have been over-reported this year by some 22,000 house sales so far.

He told HuffPost last month that the phenomenon of double-counted houses is having substantial effects on housing data.

“Statistically valid month-over-month comparisons on sales volumes are inflated as much as 15 per cent in some cities in 2013,” Kay wrote. “Average prices are skewed upward as much as 10 per cent some months.”

Noting that most Canadians’ net worth is in their homes, Turner suggested housing market data should be made reliable through regulation the way financial markets are regulated.

“We have complete regulation in the financial markets, and almost complete benign denial of the accuracy of numbers in the real estate market, which is so critically important to people,” he said.

“I hope it changes.”

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West Vancouver - $7 million(28 of179)
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Vancouver - $8 million(43 of179)
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Vancouver - $8 million(44 of179)
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Cape St. Mary's, Nova Scotia - $3 million(53 of179)
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Cape St. Mary's, Nova Scotia - $3 million(54 of179)
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Cape St. Mary's, Nova Scotia - $3 million(57 of179)
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Cape St. Mary's, Nova Scotia - $3 million(59 of179)
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Bedford, Nova Scotia: $1.48 million(62 of179)
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Toronto: $5 million(90 of179)
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Toronto: $5 million(91 of179)
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Toronto: $5 million(101 of179)
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West Vancouver - $3.9 million(103 of179)
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The realtor describes this as a "modern day Mad Men entertainer's home," and there is definitely something "retro-modern" about this three-bedroom, 4,200-square-foot bungalow. The house has a "covered outdoor living room" -- only in Vancouver could you find that in Canada -- that features a pool with a hardtop. (credit:Re/Max Crest Westside)
West Vancouver - $3.9 million(104 of179)
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Toronto - $2.3 million(113 of179)
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This house that the realtor boasts was featured in Architectural Digest is something increasingly seen in the dense inner cores of Canadian cities -- modern architecture reflecting the traditional houses nearby. Promos for the house promise a "New York Upper East Side feel" in this five-bedroom property. (credit:Re/Max Realtron)
Toronto - $2.3 million(114 of179)
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Toronto - $4.3 million(123 of179)
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It may not look it from its industrial-modern design, but this house is, according to the realtor, a ravine oasis. Located in the city's upscale Lawrence Ave. area, the house features a 23-foot ceiling in the foyer, a glass spiral staircase, an indoor squash court and a sauna on 5,100 square feet of living space. (credit:Forest Hill Real Estate)
Toronto - $4.3 million(124 of179)
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Vancouver - $8.9 million(136 of179)
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Not many pictures available of the exterior of this house, but just look at this pool! Possibly the awesomest indoor pool in a private residence in Canada. The rest of the house ain't bad, either: 12,000 square feet of living space, with nine bedrooms and 10 baths, a 25-foot-high ceiling at the main entrance, and underground car parking. (credit:Regent Park Realty)
Vancouver - $8.9 million(137 of179)
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Kelowna, BC - $6.9 million(149 of179)
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This is a huge house -- more than 8,500 square feet of living space. Besides the eye-catching front entrance, the house features a 22-foot barrel vaulted entrance and more than 500 feet of private waterfront. There's also a three-car garage. (credit:Macdonald Realty Kelowna)
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West Vancouver - $5 million(155 of179)
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The realtor promises an "indoor and outdoor lifestyle" in this oceanfront house in West Van. The house's three levels overlook a central atrium and the lower level features a heated swimming pool and jacuzzi. The house has an elevator, naturally, and a boat ramp. (credit:Angell Hasman)
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The Laurentians, Quebec - $5 million(164 of179)
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Located about 100 kilometres outside Montreal, this summer "cottage" is located on a private peninsula on Lac du Nord. The house features an infinity pool, a wine cellar, and a movie theatre. And oh yeah, there are bedrooms too, six of them. (credit:Profusion Realty)
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