Why It Takes 4 Women 80 Emails To Set A Lunch Date

I've spent considerable time over the years pondering the mysteries of the universe, but the one I truly can't solve is why it takes four women 80 emails to find a mutually-agreed-upon date for lunch.
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I've spent considerable time over the years pondering the mysteries of the universe, but the one I truly can't solve is why it takes four women 80 emails to find a mutually-agreed-upon date for lunch.

Of course, that also applies to movie groups, book clubs, bridge dates, and pretty much any activity where more than three women are attempting to congregate.

I know there are digital applications where everyone can post her available dates. But it doesn't matter. By the time everyone does, someone is already not available.

A friend belongs to a theoretically-weekly bridge foursome that only ends up meeting about 10 times a year. Hoping to improve that, they enacted a policy about requiring a replacement to be provided should one not be able to attend. That lasted until four subs showed up to play.

Now, I've never belonged to either a bridge club (can't count cards to save my life) or a book club but I have belonged to a number of movie groups. One that I belonged to had eight members. Deciding on a movie was complicated enough, so to keep the logistics down, we decided we would always meet on the second Thursday of the month. We saw lots of movies over time but the one date on which we never saw one was the second Thursday of the month. Because as soon as the long-suffering movie group organizer sent out a query as to what we wanted to see, someone invariably responded that she wouldn't be available on that night but would be available on these nights. And then we were off and running. Eighty emails to find a new date would have been optimistic.

The organizer of that group, who valiantly hung in there for years and for whom I have nothing but admiration, is now rumored to be in a home for the organizationally frustrated, sipping umbrella drinks on a bucolic lawn and being tended by white-coated professionals.

Because even when we finally agreed upon a new date (which curiously always seemed to be a Monday even though we'd all decided earlier that we shouldn't meet on Mondays since it was a bad day for everyone), we had to pick a movie.

Now, these were women who liked movies (and hence why they joined such a group) and some of them belonged to film societies as well. So we couldn't see any of the upcoming film society picks, or anything that anyone had already seen, or was being reserved to see with a husband. One of our members would only see "important" movies, defined as being well reviewed by the New York Times film critic and thus having socially redeeming value. I myself am a "fluffy" movie person but movie groups are not generally fluffy movie crowds. In fact, we didn't see movies; we saw "films." The end result was that our selections were often three-hour, black and white, graphically-violent war dramas in Hungarian with subtitles depicting (way too successfully, in my view) the misery of the human condition. But no one had already seen it. (I think that statement may apply globally.) I spent many of these with my jacket over my head. However, I adored the other women in the group and we always had dinner afterwards, often with enough wine to blot out memories of the movie, which usually caused me screaming nightmares for weeks.

I would also mention that the person who threw out the first volley about changing the date usually cancelled at the last minute. And don't even ask how many emails it took to decide where to go to dinner.

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7 Ways To Make Friends Post 50
Geography Counts, So Stay Local(01 of07)
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What you want is someone to hang with near where you live. Approach this scientifically. Having a friend who lives an hour's drive away will mean you won't see them as much as the person who lives closer. So think global, but stay local. That means your local coffee shop, the local branch of the public library, they local chapter of the Sierra Club, or the local college that offers evening courses. (credit:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/" role="link" rel="nofollow" class=" js-entry-link cet-external-link" data-vars-item-name="Flickr:" data-vars-item-type="text" data-vars-unit-name="5bb67591e4b05271530aa8e5" data-vars-unit-type="buzz_body" data-vars-target-content-id="http://www.flickr.com/" data-vars-target-content-type="url" data-vars-type="web_external_link" data-vars-subunit-name="before_you_go_slideshow" data-vars-subunit-type="component" data-vars-position-in-subunit="8" data-vars-position-in-unit="8">Flickr:</a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/coffeepartyusa/" role="link" rel="nofollow" class=" js-entry-link cet-external-link" data-vars-item-name=" CoffeePartyUSA" data-vars-item-type="text" data-vars-unit-name="5bb67591e4b05271530aa8e5" data-vars-unit-type="buzz_body" data-vars-target-content-id="http://www.flickr.com/people/coffeepartyusa/" data-vars-target-content-type="url" data-vars-type="web_external_link" data-vars-subunit-name="before_you_go_slideshow" data-vars-subunit-type="component" data-vars-position-in-subunit="9" data-vars-position-in-unit="9"> CoffeePartyUSA</a>)
Follow Your Interests(02 of07)
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If you play tennis, join a club or take a few lessons at the community center. If you like to throw parties, volunteer to run the annual fund-raiser at your synagogue or church; when the board thanks you publicly at the dinner, everyone will learn your name. If you hike, join the Sierra Club. If you bicycle, join a biking group or enter a race in your age category. Here's the one caveat about following your interests: Nobody ever met anyone while watching "American Idol" from the couch. (credit:Alamy)
Friends Come In Various Packages(03 of07)
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Be open to the idea that it's OK to have friends who are older or younger. The fact that they are in different stages in life just means they bring a different perspective to the table. While a 14-year-old won't be interested in socializing with a toddler, that 10-year age gap dissipates when they get older. Why not say yes to the 30-somethings who invite you to join them for drinks after work? Invite them over for dinner with their families and get to know their kids. Their views on the world may not match yours precisely, but variety is the spice of life. (credit:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/" role="link" rel="nofollow" class=" js-entry-link cet-external-link" data-vars-item-name="Flickr:" data-vars-item-type="text" data-vars-unit-name="5bb67591e4b05271530aa8e5" data-vars-unit-type="buzz_body" data-vars-target-content-id="http://www.flickr.com/" data-vars-target-content-type="url" data-vars-type="web_external_link" data-vars-subunit-name="before_you_go_slideshow" data-vars-subunit-type="component" data-vars-position-in-subunit="6" data-vars-position-in-unit="6">Flickr:</a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/virovets/" role="link" rel="nofollow" class=" js-entry-link cet-external-link" data-vars-item-name=" Yuri Virovets" data-vars-item-type="text" data-vars-unit-name="5bb67591e4b05271530aa8e5" data-vars-unit-type="buzz_body" data-vars-target-content-id="http://www.flickr.com/people/virovets/" data-vars-target-content-type="url" data-vars-type="web_external_link" data-vars-subunit-name="before_you_go_slideshow" data-vars-subunit-type="component" data-vars-position-in-subunit="7" data-vars-position-in-unit="7"> Yuri Virovets</a>)
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